Hi there. I noticed some of the edits you made. You did a great job. And welcome back. However, I think that J.J.'s father really is deceased. He must have left Sandy and married another woman before he died.
Thank you and welcome to the wiki, I haven't seen you around before. I can see why you would think so but in Hamelin, Sandy specifically says that JJ's father is "off with his new wife", speaking in the present tense so he is alive based on that statement.
However, I remember when I first watched the episode, I made a particular note about Sandy's statement because I knew we had him listed as deceased here, based on Erica Messer's statement back in Season Seven. It complicates things because we have two conflicting sources that are legitimate, but it is important to note that whether he was alive or not was never addressed in an episode before. At least not as far as I'm aware. Maybe it was in Hit and Run. I don't remember those episodes all that well but usually the best policy is to go with the most recent source as it is the most up-to-date information
Well I still have a different opinion, but I do see your point. By the way, I joined this wiki a long time ago. It was while you were taking some time off. Also, I’m glad you and Michael the man are in a good place now.
That's fair enough. I certainly understand why you would think so. I guess this is one of those thing that can be left up interpetation, something I quite like about fandoms. A lot of the time people can believe what they want to believe.
I figured that was the case but this was my first time speaking with you so.
Thanks, And like I said, despite my opinon, I do see your point. But since we have two conflicting sources that are legitimate like you said, how do you think they'll be able to clarify this confusion.
To be honest, I don't think they will. I just doubt that comments by Erica Messer from 2012 occurred to them when writing an episode for 2019, especially offhand comments like the one about JJ's father were. Also, "legitimate" is not the best term, apologies. I only realised that when I reread our conversation again. A better word would be "official". Sorry for that confusion.
As I said, I can't recall if the fate of JJ's father was mentioned on screen before but as far as I'm aware, this is the first time. So either they'd overlooked that detail when writing Sandy's character in Season 14, which is fair enough since it's almost eight years ago now, or they purposely changed it, which would make this a retcon.
Comments from a crew or cast member are perfectly fine for our purposes when there's no other source available. but what's actually said in the show during an episode overrules anything else. That's the way most wikias handle contradictions like this, which IMO is also the best way: information from the main medium in a franchise, in this case that would be the show, takes priority over all other sources, even ones from people involved in the production.
I see. And no worries about the 'legitimate" thing. It's cool. You know, if it's not too much trouble, I think there's one other article page that Michael the man didn't include in his list (unless I missed it) that I think you should go over too.
I think her background and storylines are accurate. I just think it should also be checked just in case there's any mistakes. And you'll probably need to watch the four episodes from Season Thirteen having to do with Linda too. From "Cure" to "Last Gasp". Good opportunity too since there's still a message about how the article is under constrution. Then again, that message could be due to the fact that there's nothing in the notes section. Or references if there were any. I hope there's no pressure.
Excellent point. Thank you for bringing that up and no, no pressure at all. I'm probably going to need to check those episodes anyway to make sure any other relevant articles are complete so I might as well check Barnes while I'm at it. Thanks again.
Hi, Reese. How are you? How is everything? Welcome back. First of all, I want to aplogize for how I was bugging you last year when you came back. I had no right with what I did. I was impatient and I wasn't myself. Since then, I realized that I need to be patient with the articles and you were right when you said that you didn't have the time to do all the articles when Season 13 was about to finish. It was not an excuse with what I did. I know that there is nothing that I can do or say that will change anything or make up for what I did. But I want you to know that I am sorry. If you can please give me another chance with you, I promise you that I will not bother you to do the articles immediately. Take all the time you need, there is no rush. Once again, I am sorry and I hope it's not too late.
You have nothing to apologize for, Michael. Nothing to make up for either. I can't fault you for being passionate about CM and the site. In fact, I should be the one apologizing because I'm the one who made promises he didn't keep. In the end, I'm the one who failed, not you. So please let me say I'm sorry.
Yeah, maybe you were a bit impatient but that's normal. People make mistakes and it's not a big deal. We're all human beings. I don't resent you and never have. Not even for a moment. So don't worry. You've nothing to be sorry for, okay?
Thank you for the message though, I appreciate you reaching out even though I let you down by not finishing the pages like I promised and I feel I owe you something of an explanation. I felt so bad about it for a long time but I also didn't feel like I was ready to come back. I did try to some months ago but things got in the way so in the end, I couldn't, which is why I was away for much longer than I had initially planned. However, I'm in a better position now so here I am. I hope that makes sense. Sorry again for letting you down for so long.
I'm actually caught up on all the episodes as luck would have it. Obviously because I was gone so long, I'm a bit out of touch so I'm re familiarizing myself with the show and the wikia as well. Basically getting back into the swing of things, if that makes sense.
But in short, yes, I'm caught up with Season 13 and 14 as well. Sorry for rambling a bit there
It's okay. I know that Season 15 is the final season of Criminal Minds which is sad and I know that the premiere for it is on January 8, 2020. But in your opinion, do you think that you have time to help out with the articles in a month and a half?
Yeah I know. I'm sad about it ending as well but it sounds like we are getting a proper ending rather than it just being pulled from the air abruptly.
But yeah I will definitely have the time to help out. I just need to get back into the swing of things which is why I'm making smaller edits to start off and filling in some gaps from Seasons 13 and 14, e.g. the edits I made today regarding the status of JJ's father. It's a detail that was revealed in episode 12 of Season 14, Hamelin. Previously, it was said he was deceased in an old interview but obviously they've changed that so I'm making the appropriate changes. Seemed like a good place to start.
Take all the time you need. But, can I ask you something? Is it okay with you that I can send you the list of names of the articles with names of the episodes that need to be edit from Seasons 13 and 14, just so that you can remember? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you don't remember the names of the articles, it's just a reminder.
I was actually thinking of asking you to do that lol.
If you could that would be a big help. If it isn't too much trouble. Just create another thread on my message wall so the list doesn't get buried if you get me. And if you think of any characters that might deserve a page, incidental characters, etc., include those names too. It's something I can look into. Thanks
You're welcome. Now, before I give you the list, I have three questions.
1. Do you need to watch the episodes again in order to edit the articles?
2. Should I send you the list of all the names of the articles on one message or in separate messages?
3. While you were gone, a couple of editors have filled out on a couple of articles like they completed the few articles and I also helped out with some of the details from the episodes and I tried my best to help out with those articles as well. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not questioning anyone’s editing. It’s just that I have a feeling that some of the completed articles that the editors have done are not proper as they should be with the details and other stuff. So my question is, while I make the list, can you please check those articles as well to see if the few completed articles are fine and if not, can you please fix the editing on the details of the articles so that they can be excellent?
1. Yes, I will need to in order to get as accurate as possible. Even if I only watched the episode a few days ago so it's relatively fresh in my mind, it's still a good idea to have the episode in front of me in case I pick up something that I might have missed my last time viewing it.
2. All in one message please. It'll be easier for me to track my progress on the pages if I don't have to jump between threads.
3. I think I know what you're talking about. Some of the more recent pages have the basic information but the writing is all over the place and the format is a little messy and stuff like that. I'm sure whomever worked on them did the best they could and that's all we can ask for Most of them are for the pages in Seasons 13 and 14 that you'll be listing, as far as I can tell at least so I'll be getting around to them anyway but yeah I can take a look at them if you can give me the names and tidy them up a bit and basically make them presentable until I can get around to doing them properly if that makes sense. Is that what you're asking for or am I misunderstanding you?
Hi, I had a look at the Wayne Hollis page as we discussed. I made a few additions but I'd have to do a full breakdown of the episode to be certain but it looks pretty comprehensive. For now I'd rather focus on the pages that have nothing because even if Hollis' article wasn't up to perfect standard, at least it's there, if that makes sense. But I will go through it thoroughly like I did before I went away soon. I hope that's ok.
Sure, it's okay. Take all the time you need to watch the episode before you do Wayne Hollis' article. By the way, I am almost done with the list. But there is something you should know. Not only I wrote down the names of the characters and the episodes. But I also wrote down, information on what is the issue and/or situation for each article because I want you to be prepared of what is going on with the articles when you see them after you watch the episodes. I hope that is okay with you.
I'm back. So now I am going to list the names of the articles. Here's how it works: First, I will write down the names of the episodes. Then, I will list the names of the characters from the same episodes that I will list and next to their names I will put dashes to write down the issue and/or situations for each article, including the completed ones to check and see if they need fixing. This might take longer, so, here it goes
1. Lucky Strikes
Floyd Feylinn Ferell - Floyd's article is almost done, it's just that his episode section for Lucky Strikes is still incomplete. It needs to be finished.
Jess Carney - Someone has made the final paragraph for the episode section of Jess' article. The episode section for Jess Carney's article should be checked to see if it's good, and if it's not, it should be edited.
3. Full-Tilt Boogie
Michelle Gorman - When you made Michelle's article and did some work on it, some of the editors were working and the article looked completed, but I have a feeling that the article is'nt how it should be including the format. Michelle Gorman's article needs to be checked to see if it needs to be fixing.
4. Bad Moon on the Rise
Mitchell McCord - Few editors were working on the article like the background section had been made longer and the episode section was completed by another editor. Mitchell's McCord's article needs to be checked to see if it needs some editing.
Rafael Taveras - His article is almost done. The only thing that hasn't been filled out is the episode section. The episode section for the Rafael Taveras' article needs to be filled out in order for the article to be complete.
The next seven names for the next seven articles are about checking the articles and the next seven articles I will send you are the ones that were made by some editors, including mostly BAUmaster628 and Echo Spy. Now don't get me wrong, please don't take it personally and please don't take this the wrong way. I am not questioning and judging anyone's editing. I know that Echo Spy is the head bureaucrat and his editing skills are excellent. It's just that it's been a year since these articles that I am about to mention had been made and completed, but we want to make sure that these seven articles are to be checked and that they are still in good condition so that way, there won't be any mistakes from these articles since last year. So here they are.
8. Last Gasp
9. The Capilanos
The Capilano Brothers
10. The Dance of Love
Now that I have mentioned these seven articles, let's move back to the original plan from the first five articles. Here they are.
11. Ex Parte
The Horsemen - The Known Members section and the Mutual Victims section had been filled out, but the rest of the article hasn't. The Horsemen's article needs to be complete
Leonard Hagland - The background section and the episode section was put with basic information by Omnifrieza994. He also filled out the profile section. Leonard Hagland's article needs to be expanded and fixed.
Jasper Talbot - The Known Victims section was completed but, the rest of the article isn't. Jasper Talbot's article needs to be filled in order for the article to be complete.
Dalton McCan - The Background section, Profile section, and Know Victims section were completed, but the rest of the article isn't.. Dalton McCan's article needs to be filled in order for the article to be completed.
Josh Martin - The Known Vicitms section had been completed, but the rest of the article isn't. Josh Martin's article needs to be filled out in order for the article to be complete.
12. All You Can Eat
Mark Henshaw - The article is almost done. The only thing that hasn't been filled out is the episode section. The episoe section for Mark Henshaw's article needs to be filled out in order for the article to be complete.
13. Mixed Signals
Caleb Sands - The article was mostly completed by BAUmaster628 and Omnifrieza994. But still, this article should be checked to see if there are no mistakes and that it is in good condition.
14. Believer and 300 (Two-Part Together)
Donna Holston - The Modus Operandi section is completed, but it might be in basic information and the rest of the article hasn't been filled out. Donna Holston's article needs to be filled out.
Theo Holston - This article was filled out with basic information. Theo Holston's article needs to be expaned and fixed.
Jerry Holston - The Modus Operandi section and Known Victims section was completed, but the rest of the article hasn't. Jerry Holston's article needs to be filled out.
Mary Meadows - It looks like this article was filled out with basic information. Mary Meadows' article needs to be expanded and fixed.
Benjamin David Merva - The background seciton and the modus operandi section was filled out, but I think they have basic information and the rest of the article hasn't been filled out. Benjamin David Merva's article needs to be expanded, filled out, and fixed
The Believers - The modus operandi section was filled out, but I think it has basic information. The members section was filled out, the mutual victims section was filled with basic information and the rest of the article hasn't been filled out. The Believers' article needs to be expanded, fixed and filled out.
15. Starter Home
The Varnville Unsub - Some editors completed this article, but I think that some of the sections of the article has basic information. The Varnille Unsub's article has to be expanded and fixed.
Dorothy Elgin - The modus operandi section, the profile section, and the known victims section was filled out. But the rest of the article hasn't. Dorothy Elgin's article needs to be filled out.
16. Rule 34
Emmanuel Rask - The whole article is almost done, but the episode section hasn't been filled out and there is no modus operandi section for the article. Emmanuel Rask's article needs to be fixed and filled out.
Jacob Wallace - This article is half complete by some of the editors as the background and episode section have been filled out, but they have basic information and the know victims section is filled out but the rest of the article hasn't. Jacob Wallace's article needs to be expanded, fixed, and filled out.
18. The Tall Man
Ethan Howard - The article was completed by some editors, but it has basic information. As for the modus operandi and profile section, I don't know if they need to be fixed, but stil. Ethan Howard's article needs to be expanded and fixed.
Jeremy Grant - This article was completed by some editors. But still, this article should be checked to see if it needs fixing and to make sure that it is in good condition.
Eduardo Ramos - The known victims section was completed, but the rest of the article hasn't. Eduardo Ramo's article needs to be filled out.
20. Twenty Seven
The Wells Brothers - This article is almost completed by some editors, but the episode section hasn't been filled out and I think the whole article has basic information. The Wells Brothers' article needs to be expanded, fixed, and filled out.
Marcus Wells - This article is almost done thanks to some editors, but the notes section hasn't been filled out and I don't know if the modus operandi section has basic information and needs to be expanded. Marcus Wells' article might need to be expanded and fixed, and the notes section has to be filled out.
James Wells - This article is almost done thanks to some editors, but the notes section hasn't been filled out and I don't know if the modus operandi section has basic information and needs to be expanded. James Wells' article might need to be expanded and fixed, and the notes section has to be filled out.
Jordan Halloran - This article has basic information and needs to be expanded. But I don't know if the modus operandi and profile sections have basic information and need to be expanded, but still. Jordan Halloran's article needs to be expanded and fixed.
22. Broken Wing
Douglas Knight - The article is almost done, but the episode section hasn't been filled out. Douglas Knight's article has to be filled out.
23. Flesh and Blood
David Smith - This article was completed by some editors, but I think the format isn't good and I also think this article has basic information. I might be wrong, but I don't know. But still, if so, David Smith's article needs to be expanded, fixed. But mostly, David Smith's article needs to be checked.
Elizabeth Rhodes - This article is almost done, but the episode section hasn't been filled out and I think the article has basic information and needs to be expanded and fixed. Elizabeth Rhodes' article needs to be expanded, fixed, and filled out.
24. Night Lights
Dustin Eisworth - This article is completed thanks to some editors. But still, this article needs to be checked to make sure that there are no mistakes and that it is in good condition. Dustin Eisworth's article needs to be checked.
Wayne Hollis - I mentioned earlier today that Wayne Hollis' article needs to be checked to see if it needs fixing. This is just a reminder.
Everett Lynch - This article is completed thanks to some editors. But still, this article needs to be checked to make sure if it needs fixing and if there are no mistakes and that it is in good condition. Everett Lynch's article needs to be checked.
27. Sick and Evil
Stephanie Carter - This article looks complete, but I think it looks like it has basic information and needs to be expanded and fixed. Stephanie Carter's article needs to be expanded, fixed, and checked.
28. Truth or Dare
Casey Allen Pinkner - This article has basic information and the format needs to be fixed. Casey Allen Pinkner's article needs to be expanded and fixed.
Mark Zabel - This article looks like it has basic information. Mark Zabel's article needs to be expanded and fixed.
I wrote you down the names of the criminals and unsubs of the episodes. Now I will write down the names of the supporting characters, incidental characters, and some of the criminals that I haven't written down yet. But, I am not going to write down all the information like I did with the ones above. Instead, I will write down the names of the characters and episode names so that you can see their articles and see what needs to be expanded, fixeded, fill out, and checked. So here they are.
Lisa Douglas for episodes Bad Moon on the Rise, 300, and Luke.
You already know the two articles for Krystall Richards and Portia Richards
Wick Rollins for episode The Dance of Love, but the name of the character is colored in red and the page doesn't exist.
Jesse Wilson and Weiss from episode All You Can Eat.
Carlos Garcia from the same episode and including his second appearance in episode Innocence.
Owen Quinn in episodes Believer and 300
Galina Kadlec in episode Rule 34
Bethany Wilson in episode The Tall Man but the name of the character is colored in red and that page doesn't exist.
Phil Brooks for episode Luke
Andrew Mendoza for episodes Twenty Seven and Flesh and Blood
Ashley Carson for episode Ashley
Daryl Wright, Samuel Bayo and Robert Smith for episode Broken Wing
Grace Lynch and Roberta Lynch in episode Chameleon
Courtney Mably in episode Sick and Evil
This is all the names of the articles that I have written. I'm sorry it took me so long to write down everything. And I hope it's not too much information.
I know I have written too much. But like I said, I want you to be prepared for what has happened to the articles since you were gone. I hope I didn't put you in a lot of pressure by writing down all the information and I hope I didn't offend you. If I did, then I'm sorry.
No, don't worry you didn't offend me or put me under pressure. You just did what I asked you to do. Thank you. I'm going to use that list and look through the names to decide which ones I want to focus on first (as I said, I want to prioritize the ones that are the least complete).
This will just help me narrow it down. Thanks again.
1. I’m confused, did you already read everything that I send you or you just started reading?
2. Are you going to watch the episodes and do the articles in order of the dates or you will pick which one you want to do first?
3. Since Season 15 is in a month and a half, I’m curious. Are you going to do the articles every few days in a week in every week or you will do them when you have time? I know it is none of my business, and I know that you have your life, it's just that Season 15 is a long time away in a month and a half.
No, you're ok. I've made you wait a long time so you're entitled to ask a few questions. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you BTW, today was just a busy day for me.
1. No, I haven't read through everyone on the list yet. Just yesterday, before you had written that list, you mentioned Hollis specifically so I took a look at him first based on that. I'll be going through the list thoroughly and properly working on the pages. This was just a small check up on that article since you, as I said, mentioned him specifically.
2. I haven't decided yet. For example, later tonight or if not, tomorrow, I'm going to rewatch Lucky Strikes and finish off Floyd Feylinn Ferell's page but after that, I might prioritise some articles. It's something I'll have to figure out as I get back to work, if that makes sense.
3. Don't worry about this question, I don't feel it's out of line and I take no offence. I'll be fairly active on the wiki, sometimes doing smaller edits but primarily focusing on completing the articles. In short, I'll be doing as much as I can throughout each week so essientially the first option you mentioned in your question.
Hey 994, if you're still ok with being called that.
Thanks for the kind words. I know I was gone a long time and I had planned on coming back a few months ago, I think it was around February but life had different plans and I was away for longer than I'd hoped so apologies for that. I see you've been mainly working on Real world criminals. I've not personally read many of them but from what I can see, it looks pretty well organized so nice work.
Yeah no problem. Don't sweat it i'm just glad you're back.
I don't mean to brag, but i believe my editing skills have vastly improved since then. The number of pages i've created has spiked drastically (you can see them here) and i don't plan on stopping. And yes i have made Real World Criminal pages among them. Also in the process i've gone up the Leadership Board several times (#2 in fact). So yeah i think i've been doing pretty good in the meantime. And thanks for your reciprocation of kinds words yourself.
I'm inclined to agree. Like I said, I haven't read too much but it looks like you've put a lot of time and effort into your contributions so you deserve the praise. And please don't, keep them coming. Just keep the pages relevant to the show.
Just I've seen something called Unreferenced Criminals and I'm not sure what that's about but I assuming it was something approved by one of the other admins so I trust their judgement. Keep up the good work.
Oh yeah i'm sure you noticed that. It refers to Real-World Criminals that haven't been directly mentioned or referenced but are similar to a criminal on the show (like Daniel Camargo and Moses Sithole). There are a lot of them and i figured they deserved their own category so i made one. A while back i talked with Echo and gave him my ideas for new categories and i created the ones he approved of (Unreferenced Criminals category among them).
I suggest to rename the Atlanta Child Murders page Wayne Williams, since he was officially attributed most of the killings, and actually was a serial killer. In order to do this, you will first have to delete the The Atlanta Child Killer page, which is empty, useless, and already in the candidates for deletion category. Thanks.
I would suggest to rename the Axeman of New Orleans page "The Axeman of New Orleans" as it would be more appropriate and in line with other similar pages (e.g. "The Atlanta Child Killer", "The Phantom Killer"...)
Hello, Reese, how are you? How is everything? Please help with the unsub articles from Season 13. As you are aware that the new season will start in a month and Echo Spy doesn't have time to help with the articles because he started university. I understand that you don't like it when I am bugging you about the articles, but Season 14 is on its way on October 3. Is everything okay with you? Are you feeling up for editing? Please help out with the articles. You are one of the best administrators on this wiki.