I created that page and what happens on it is my concern (saw this in my gmail).
Anyway, i don't mind you fixing a few typos here and there and i guess that poster image was ok. But what really irks me is you having my pictures deleted and replacing them. Those were completely fine and did not need to be replaced. I also don't appreciate you making false pathologies for the infobox (i believe you've been warned about this at least once before) and ripping chunks of information out of it either. Also i don't believe you had administrator permission to change the infobox image (which is required).
I just replaced the images because of better definition. And for what concerns pathologies, i'm not inventing anything: if someone commits a burglary or assault, he is a burglar or an assailant, and it makes no sense at all not adding it to the infobox just because we don't have a page explaining what a burglar or assailant is. The same for attempted rape, he is not a rapist but an attempted rapist. Finally, i ripped out that piece because the comparision is meant to be between a real character and a fictional one, not between two real ones.
I decided to wait a while before replying because you apparently have to edit a message like five times or so.
Anyway, if you really wanted better definition images you could have simply uploaded new versions of the old ones instead of deleting them. You caused damage to some real criminal portals because of what you did. Also do you see any other pages that have "Burglar: or "Assailant" in their pathology tabs (ones that you added aside)? Just because a criminal commits a certain type of crime doesn't automatically mean there's a pathology (like "Dismemberer" or "Home Invader") for it. I believe Fashion has gone over this with you at least once when you decided "Product Tamperers" were a pathology. Also you could have simply moved that comparison to the Notes section. And as i said previously it is against this wikia's rules to change a head image without permission (Pages section). So please cease with doing stuff like this before you get yourself in trouble with an admin. Now i'm off to try and fix the damage you've done.
Adapted from a quote a demonic intellectual once said in Netflix's "Chilling Adventures of Sabrina" - 'Boys, Boys, let's not be catty bitches.'
Thomas, I have to agree with Omni on with this first issue given the pictures could have been easily reuploaded to replace them with ones of better definitions and not disturb one's page-building. So for jumping to conclusions with pathology, perhaps think of the crime(s) convicted. If someone breaks in and murders the homeowners three several times (making a serial killer), and is only charged with the murders and no break ins, perhaps a murder pathology in best and not include a burglar or something.
Typing that scenario made me realize that perhaps that's not a good addition in this pathology argument. Research or perhaps having a discussion with the page maker (Omni here) where you two talk or debate however you will but without the obvious tension and rudeness. As for both of you, you two do get a strike on this wiki - Omni you should have conferred with me about making new criminal pages a long time ago.....
I'm very sorry about this, but i would like to point out one thing. Debating means that we listen to each other's opinion, and we try to find a compromise. I remember the discussion concerning Andrew Cunanan's classification as a serial or spree killer: even when i accepted to include the serial killer pathology, OmnIFrIeza994 would not listen to reason when i asked him to leave the spree killer pathology too. Only the intervention of an admin managed to talk him out. So now i ask, is this debating or simply OmnIFrIeza994 thinking he's always right and everyone should do what he wants them to do? So ok, we debate and discuss, but OmnIFrIeza is the only one in this wikia that as to criticize EVERY little thing i do, and even when we discuss, and when i'm willing to find a compromise with him, he would not listen to reason.
Lastly, may i ask you to delete this last image? The name is wrong, i will upload it again with the correct title. It is not published anywhere, so it will not affect any of the pages. Thanks
Ok, first of all, i would just like to say, Thomas, i know you have good intentions and you only want what's best for this wikia. But i must say you've done more harm than good with what you did. Given i may have been a bit harsh (this sort of thing does tick me off).
As for your debate, i am not some kind of narcissist who thinks he's always right and thinks everyone should do what he wants. With Andrew Cunanan, i said he was a serial killer because he did fit the pathology (five victims in an 80-day span with time in-between murders). Meanwhile, i remember you kept repeating the same argument over and over again: "John Douglas says so", "John Douglas says so" (not those words exactly but you get the point), and when i tried to counter this argument, you painted me as some kind of egotistical asshole who thinks he's better than John Douglas (i know i'm not). You don't need a degree to know this stuff (i bet you don't have a degree either). And i said he wasn't an assassin because there was no evidence to suggest Cunanan was politically, religiously or monetarily motivated. Again, i tried to be calm and reasonable, but you just weren't open to it. Finally, i lost my patience and was just like "Fine, to hell with this. I'm not dealing with this anymore." and i removed that thread. Sorry for my swearing but my patience for this type of crap is very low.
Those pictures were completely fine. And if you really had such a problem with them then you could have simply uploaded new versions of them instead of destroying them and pasting new ones in (which weren't even done right).
As to address you Echo, sir, i don't recall anyone ever complaining about me making pages before. From what i understand, permission is only required for categories and not real criminals who have been mentioned on the show. Thomas creates unreferenced real-world criminal pages all the time (and most of them aren't even finished - i just wonder if he's ever going to finish Russell Williams) and i don't recall him ever asking anyone for permission. Again i apologize for my swearing and harshness, but i'm losing my cool right now. Now i simply ask Thomas to please, and i emphasize please from the bottom of my heart, stop with this and leave it be.
I admit it, i could have uploaded the images instead of requesting deletion. I'm sorry if i created some troubles because of this, and even for the pathologies (they just seemed more correct to me). But i still don't think all this should be worth of all this mayhem. They were just a few pictures and some edits.
As for the pictures, Thomas I deleted the one you requested and agree that this 'right' has grown exceptionally out of proportions over a cause of deleting pics. Now you know you can simply rue-load better pics.
As for the criminal pages you've created Omni, I apologize and immediately thought you were making ones not referenced on the show - to which that Thomas, if you've created any, please give me a list. I suspect Russel Williams to be at #1.
Moving on regarding pathology. It seems that though Thomas you were at first willing to make compromises and Omni you were fighting with your justified reasoning, I'm afraid that, going forth, a discussion between you two would not reach a fair conclusion and a third person would need to see this. I am willing to be this person as I'm the head admin, but I need to know if Richard Allen Davis is the first page to start or has this specific issue been resolved?
Well i was just angry at him for what he did to my page. I suppose everything is good now so i guess there is no need for further action. I am gonna work more on Richard Allen Davis tonight. I haven't made any unreferenced criminal pages yet but i might in the future (and maybe that could be something we could talk about some other time). Thomas hasn't made any sort of list of pages like i have so i had to dig through his contributions to find some. Also you can look through a page's revision history to see who made it (and i bet alot of those unfinished and unreferenced criminal pages are Thomas'). I guess i am partially to blame here for letting my temper get the best of me. So how about we just forget and you just delete this from your wall? Sound good?
Just to clarify one point: would that be okay for you both (as i also need admin permission) if i upload a new version (without deleting the old one, obviously) of the Allen Davis Infobox image? I mean the one with a better definiton.
Also, i think it should be better to delete this photo i uploaded, as there isn't enough space to include it in the Allen Davis page:
Hello. On the main page of this wiki it's posted 'CRIMINAL MINDS WIKI is a collaborative community and largest source of not only to the hit CBS crime-drama show Criminal Minds, now in its thirteenth season, but its two spinoffs Criminal Minds: Beyond Borders and Criminal Minds: Beyond Borders..' Shouldn't it mean Beyond Borders and Suspect Behavior? I just started watching the show on Netflix and wanted to do some research and that stuck out at me. I didn't change it however because I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not and am reluctant to make a change if I'm not 100% sure of what I'm doing (had some runins with the admins of another site over such things). Figured I'd drop you this message asking about it.
Hi Echo Spy, how are you? Long time now see!! As you may have noticed with the new change of our Community Org, our team will be highly focused on building a closer relationships with our communities, admins and users than before. As one of the Community Managers, I will be together with our Wiki Manager Chris to fully support this wiki, help you and other admins solve any issues/concerns on this wiki, partnership with you guys for any exciting relevant projects, and make this wiki more attractive and successful.
Long in short - we are here to fully support any needs you may have to make this community keep growing successfully. If you and other admins need any help, feel free to directly contact Chris or me any time. We will be always in touch! Any questions? :)
Hi guys - sorry for the late reply! Any questions I had had actually been answered before on the community managers blog post and a question my friend has asked but was answered. I do look forward with working with you guys and communicating any issues and problems that arise here :)
I'm pretty sure Soljakilla89 is inventing characters he then fill the pages he creates on this wiki with (with the exception of the Batman Rapist page). These pages (which are, moreover, not supported by sources) are:
- Man in the Suit (the name is from the TV series "Person of Interest", which similarly portrays a vigilante)
- Cassius (this character is from a Richard Gere spy movie: "The Double")
- Stopwatch Gang (the gang and image are from a 2016 bank robbers movie named "Marauders", only the name is taken from a real criminal gang which committed bank robberies in the 70s)
Don't know if this is some kind of April Fool's Day prank or something, but the characters are all fake. I personally think these pages should be deleted as they do not contain real information. I couldn't find anything on the net to support the reported facts. Maybe Soljakilla89 should give some explanations.
The Cassius page was don't by someone else whereas the other too are from Soljakilla98. I'm giving the former user 24 hours to produce an explanation whereas I'm giving the latter the benefit on the doubt and give some hard fact articles. However if he falls to respond in 24 hours I will be deleting those pages.
Artyom99 (the creator of the Cassius page) is a some sort of "prank accomplice" of Soljakilla89. He supports his pages and creations claiming they are real, while he knows very well they are fakes. I think he should be given the 24 hours ultimatum too.
Now, if you say you are SURE Cassius existed (even if only a myth) and your father worked on him, i'll trust you. I'm not so sure for what concerns the other pages.