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Echo Spy

aka Jack Morton

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  • I live in Belgrave University
  • I was born on May 17
  • My occupation is Knight of St. Christopher in The Order
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  • Hi Echo Spy, or Jack, or whatever you prefer to be called. Could I suggest some improvements that could be made to the wiki?

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    • It's Jay - Jack Morton is the name of the main character of one of my favorite Netflix shows, The Order. And shoot.

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    • Alright, so there's two things I wanted to bring up, one minor, the other not so much.

      I think that in pages for unsubs and characters, the introduction should note if the person appeared in a Criminal Minds spinoff. For example:

      [UNSUB] is a serial killer, abductor, and one-time cop killer who appeared in the [CRIMINAL MINDS SPINOFF] episode "[EPISODE NAME]".

      Also, to differentiate between characters from all three shows that are included in the wiki because of the Merge, there should be different categories for each of the shows, including a new one for characters from the main series. It could be a hefty task adding pages to it, but I believe it would help out with organization if there were the overarching category (Criminal Minds Characters) with everyone, plus three smaller ones for each show.

      What do you think?

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    • First thing will be noted. For the second, I will include spinoff agents and criminals categories "Suspect Behavior/Beyond Borders Main Character[s]" and "Suspect Behavior/Beyond Borders Criminal[s]". Any further ones, such as serial killers, terrorists, etc. will be included with our current categories.

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  • Would like to have permission to create an Abductor/Kidnapper (please choose the name) page.

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    • I'm currently looking over our Criminal Pathology and Terminology categories - the main purpose of those was to define commonly misconstrued and misunderstood labels such as psychopaths and serial killers. However, I've noticed several pages such as Poisoner or Burglar that, I don't know, don't need further elaboration and explanation. Abductor and kidnapper is also included in the latter list, since I am sure every reader knows what an abductor and burglar is.

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    • Well, there are several types of abductors and poisoners just as there are several types of serial killers. What you're doing makes no sense at all to me.

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    • Going from the Poisoner page, the types of poisoners listed all seemed to correlate with the reason of the poisoning. Yes, there are several types of poisoners, but overall we know what a poisoner is and does and the types just specify the motivation and M.O. of the poisoner. Honestly, the types of poisoners is on the same level as what type of poison was used, and we know there are hundreds of ways people can be poisoned from.

      The same can be said with abductors - we know what an abductor is and does and their M.O./motivation is the differentiation between the types of abductors. It's on the same level as how the abductions happen, which we know there are multiple methods how a kidnapping happens.

      Point is, we cross the line into irrelevant, and I daresay 'useless' information if we go deeper into common classifications such as arsonists, poisoners and abductors. We don't want to give out information such as "parental kidnapping is a type of abduction where the parent abducts their kid and escapes", "this type of abduction uses financial motivation and gives out a ransom", etc, no matter how smartly we word the information.

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  • Hello, Echo Spy!

    J.D. here!

    LOVE the changes!

    Anyway...where's that button at the bottom of Recent Wiki/Fandom Page, where it usually says, 'See more recent change'

    https://criminalminds.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity

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    • I am not sure. The code for that new design on Wiki Activity says it shouldn't interfere with the See More button. I am not so hot on the new activity look right now because it interferes with our current sprites, so I can delete it and see if it returns the edit button underneath.

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    • Okay; I respect that.

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    • Morning, ES--mind if I call you that?

      Sorry about me adding Adam Jackson into the Sexual Assault Victims category last night.

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    • I don't mind ES - also nothing to say sorry for.

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  • This has probably already been discussed by others, but I was wondering if I could start moving pages over from the Beyond Borders and Suspect Behavior wikis on to this one. Reasons why:

    • The shows remain a part of Criminal Minds canon. Although no event from either show has severely impacted Criminal Minds, the shows still use the Criminal Minds name and feature characters from the OG show.
    • Other crime shows that are part of a franchise are bundled together in the same Wiki. Franchises like CSI, Law & Order, Chicago, and NCIS have each produced successful and unsuccessful spin-offs, and all wikis feature pages about characters and episodes from each TV show. NCIS used to have separate wiki's for NCIS: LA and NCIS: NO, but they have since moved over to the regular NCIS wiki, where pages related to those shows continue to get updated.
    • Neither wiki has had much traction over the last several months. This may stem to both shows having ended for several years now, but the most activity either wiki has gotten has revolved around minor edits or comments regarding certain unsubs.
    • Thanks to using similar templates, it'll be easy to move each of the pages. Since all three shows revolve around catching serial killers, all we'd need to do is just copy the information that's already on the pages and post it onto a new page. Plus, most of the categories the pages are filed under already exist on this Wiki, so we won't have to create any new categories (Except in the case of overseas serial killers).
    • The Coronavirus cancelled all my classes and I have nothing better to do. This last reason is very petty, but it's always bugged me that we've always given Suspect Behavior and Beyond Borders their own Wikis when wikis for shows like NCIS and Law & Order practically pride themselves on having information from decades worth of shows. Since I finished my finals and have nothing else to do thanks to COVID-19, I can easily take the time to move pages from both wikis on to this one.

    I look forward to hearing your response.

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    • I believe so. Why?

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    • Oh do you think you can give me an admin role for the server so I can have some sort of role on it?

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  • Hi Echo, it's been a long time. I have some new ideas for this wikia and i'm wondering if you're interested. 

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    • Okay, you seem to have misunderstood some of what i said and left several things unanswered:

      • I wasn't talking about how many criminals are compared, i was talking about how many similarities they have between them and a show criminal. The minimum required number of similarities. What did you decide it to be? And we shouldn't have two articles with the same comparison (or with mimimal differences).
        • But now that you mention it, i think there should be a limit on how many real-life comparisons an unsub can have. I just don't want the section to become too flooded. You know with some typical serial killers like (both had abusive mothers, raped and strangled prostitutes, etc) it's pretty basic and generic, and it can be used to describe a lot of them (both real and fictional).
      • So have you actually approved of the rules? Are they now official? if so will you add them to the rules page? 
      • What do you think of my idea of enforcement? I personally think that just going around deleting articles could cause an upset. A while back SolVic became upset over his articles being deleted and was rather heated about it. You can view the discussion on his wall under "Can i Help?".
        • But if you ultimately do decide against my idea and go about editing articles, there's something i'd like you to do for me. You know how on unreferenced articles they say "While so-and-so has yet", i'd really appreciate it if you changed it to "was never" since the show is over now. Thanks.
      • Okay 100 edits sounds good to me. But i think a week's time is a little short. On Christmas i started an Al Capone page and didn't finish it until January (almost a month later). I would suggest maybe about a month or so? But then again Capone is referenced so i'm sure that's different. 

      I still don't agree with the merge, but let's save it for another time, shall we?

      Hey, i just had another thought: a possible exception to the rules? What about unreferenced criminals that have a confirmed comparison? Like how Thomas Yates was based on Henry Lee Lucas (i know he's not unreferenced, but you get it). In the mentioned discussion, SolVic claimed that one of his pages had a connection because of some film or something mentioning it. What if we allow an unreferenced criminal, but there's a confirmed inspiration? The article MUST include a link to their confirmed source (and by confirmed source, i mean a statement from like one of the show's creators or something similar). 

      And one more thing, i'd also appreciate it if you would remove any deleted articles from any portals they're in. You've torn a few 'holes' in some of them. 

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  • Hey Echo Spy! I just wanted to drop by to say you're doing a really great job on the wiki. I've been talking with Profiler10 and I wanted to make it clear that you're free to join in with that thread and anything I say there applies to you and Fashionable, not just Profiler.

    It would be great if we could chat as a group some time as I feel you guys are a great team and the wiki is in good hands for the season premiere next month!

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  • Hi, I would suggest to introduce a specific category for both real assassins and real criminals who, despite not quite acting like assassins, fit the assassin personality type. Please consider it. Thanks.

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    • It would seem there is not a category of "Real Assassins" exists yet - that can be created,

      I have concluded some research - there isn't an "assassin personality" type defined by any major justice or medical institution for starters, so while an assaying might share a lot of psychological and personality traits with other types of killers like black widows or white collars. There is also no approved "assissin checklist" - hence people who don't commit assassins but say have the weapons or the mentality aren't assassins yet. Once you become an assassin, you are an assassin.

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    • Well, the term "assassin personality" was coined by John Douglas and a Secret Service guy as part of a crime classification system, which provided the basis for the Crime Classification Manual, which actually IS an institution. But if you don't see the category as useful, i can understand, no problem. Thanks for caring.

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    • Apologies for intruding but I feel like this needs to be said.

      You made the same proposal to Fashionable101 a few days ago, almost word for word, and she looped me in on things and we discussed it at length. Apologies for not getting back to you on the matter, Thomas, we've just been busy working on other projects, both on the wiki and in real life. I'm sorry about that.

      In summary, what we concluded was that creating an "Assassins Personality" category could potentially make things messy/confusing because what we would essientially be doing is classifying criminals as "Assassins" even though they don't behave like them in terms of their pathology. That is how I interpeted your suggestion, personally. It's my understanding that we class them based on the crimes they commit, not personality types, so deviating from that may complicate things. It is my opinion that we keep things straightforward, however, if other moderators weigh in and think this is a good idea, then I'll come on board too.

      Sorry again for forgetting to get back to you Thomas, I sincerely apologise for that.

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    • Not a problem, really. Again, thanks for caring! 

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  • Could you please delete these images? Thanks.

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    File:Bidshop's age progression sculpture.jpg

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  • Could you please delete this page? Thanks.

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