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What's Related
The wiki looks nice -- very integrated! The colors for the titlebar of "What's Related" are coming from the accent class; I copied in the code with the colors you currently have and you can change them to what you want. However it also affects user masthead, the thing about "XXX Articles on this Wiki" and some other widget stuff, so you may not want to change it. I think the code added by User:Toughpigs (in the monaco.css history) would be better to customize -- it is specific to just the what's related widget. -- Wendy (talk ) 23:46, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Questions
Hi -- sorry I never got back to you on your two column question; I couldn't figure out how to do what you asked and neither could a friend I asked to look at it. If we come across anything I'll let you know. My guess on the portals issue was that somebody edited the template with the Rich Text Editor, but either way, the new gallery is a nice alternative. -- Wendy (talk ) 00:41, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Portal Template
Definitely, YES. I've been looking the others photo galleries and the format of the Criminals one is easier to modify. What I don't know it's how much work it's going to take to change it. On another matter, I've noticed that the photos I've uploaded in the portal need some kind of change because they're not correctly shown, but I haven't the first clue of what needs to be done to them, so help? - Mvpl 15:46, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

How could Hotch be blamed for Anna Bagley's death?
This is Blu Stu here,-just a quick question that's been sticking with me every time I watch Criminal Minds ever since I saw the episode Doubt-how, exactly, could the death of Anna Bagley be anyone else's fault in any way, shape or form when she commited suicide? Strauss blamed Hotch for the girl's death, and suspended him because of it-but how could it possibly be his fault when she killed HERSELF? It sounded to me like Strauss was saying that the girl had stuck a knife in HERSELF-and somehow, that was Hotch's fault.

And anyway-didn't Anna Bagley murder an innocent young woman, anyway? And didn't she murder the bloke right before her suicide? Shouldn't she have considered that? I was just wondering, that's all-so please answer back when you get the chance and let me know.82.5.131.26 21:13, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Strauss was always looking to blame Hotch for something; just to get him off the team. She finally relented after the Reaper incident, which was uncharacteristic for her. I think she felt for him considering he did what he had to do to save Jack from Foyet; beating Foyet to death. Secondly, she's just a bitch.-

Logged out
Sorry to be a bother, but I'm seriously ticked. Again, I've been logged out while doing a long edit. Do you have any idea about why it happens and, more important, how to prevent it? This, the Thomas Gibson page, was one I really wanted to have on my account 'cause has been complicated to say the least to compile the information as there is so little out there about him... I'm whinning, I know but I needed to vent. Thanks! - Mvpl 16:47, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just make you're logged in before you edit. That's about all that can be done. -

Sections / Links
Generally I would agree with you in this, but let me try to explain: those links are specific for their credits, because it's next to impossible to keep them up-to-date. For that reason I've been putting them in a sub-section inside de Filmography one. I can change all of them, but the credits of some of the actors are so extensive and varied that already are divided in sub-sections. You'll tell me your decision :) - Mvpl 17:23, March 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. I understand. That's why you called it "links", as opposed to a new section called "External Links". OK. Carry on. -

User page protection
Sí, por favor. Gracias! - La Bruja :) - Mvpl 10:46, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Reply: Adam Jackson
. Hope its what you had in mind. And no, I don't think protecting my user page will be necessary, any unwanted changes can be easily reverted, but thanks for offering. -- Lord Crayak 17:35, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Rules
It's in the episodes portal, but it's obvious some people need to be warned again and again. Please, another rule (with very big letters): episodes pages must remain spoiler free - Mvpl 00:59, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree I can't stand the spoilers I have seen every episode but I forget the main parts and then the spoilers ruin them so change the spoilers right awat please.Reid fanboy 13:30, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

br/
Exactly the same thing than the first time, nothing. I've not put that code there, somebody made the change several days ago. I was just leaving a new message, the audio one. I've seen your change and that what I'd written had been erased, so I've put it up again and the damm br/ thing was up again, but not when I've checked with the preview botton. I just don't know. Sorry - Mvpl 23:42, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm. Another mystery. Time to call Scooby and the gang. -


 * As I told you yesterday, the message titled Audio. I just clicked on Edit this page, selected a new line at the end of the page, put up the section heading with the title and wrote the message. The first time I just saved the page, not bothering with a preview. The second time, after seeing what had happened, I checked the preview and used the source control and apparently everything was ok so I saved the changes. There is another message in between mine and that list of actors, so I really don't understand what's happening there - Mvpl 15:51, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Lately I've noticed that when you hit the sage changes button, it goes to a preview screen that's blank. I usually have to hit the back button and hit save changes again. It must be something they're doing with the wiki software, maybe a bug they've overlooked. Try again, making sure to hit the back button if a preview screen comes up when you click save changes. I'll ask a helper about the problem and see if they have any clue what's going on. I've noticed some other bugs, too. You can also try using the WYSIWYG editor. You can activate it in your preferences. I think all of the bugs have been ironed out. If you still have problems adding your info, let me know. Sorry about the confusion :) -


 * Thanks for the info and the tips. I've too noticed some minor misshaps but, as they can be solved trying again the command, I hadn't given them too much though - Mvpl 18:36, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

D.B.Sweeney character
I'm sure sooner rather than latter you're going to say that you hate me and be done with it... I've found another name misshap. The US Marshall surname is K a ssmeyer, I've checked all over the place, including the official website at cbs.com. I've made most of the changes but his page and the first episode I can't do. - Mvpl 20:08, March 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * STOP IT!!!! :) -


 * Glad to know I can be a nuisance and not get the boot! So, I've got a question: Why the Lu K as Haas page is named Lucas Haas? - Mvpl 19:36, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good question. Typo? Nobody's perfect. -

Curiosity is a good thing
Exactly from here, maybe not the best recolection of information, but it is an start :) - Mvpl 22:22, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

HELP!!
The Minor Characters Portal is acting like a spoiled brat with a temper tatrum, and I can't seem to find what it's wrong with it. I've added a new box for John Blackwolf, if I check the code it looks fine, but the resulting page it's a chaos. I'm hoping that you, as admin, can find what happens there because I'm at a loss. Sorry for the hassle - Mvpl 17:26, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, first, please, don't joke with this, yesterday I nearly had a heart attack... Today I've remembered we were talking about changing the template in that page to make it easy to add characters when necessary. Would it be alright with you if I steal the format of the Criminals portal and make the change? That is the easiest to update - Mvpl 11:22, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. The code seems to be messed up anyway. The FBI portal is messed up too. I have no clue what happened. -
 * Could it be that great minds think alike? :) BTW, it works beautifully, look the recurring characters - Mvpl 14:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * As I was making the changes in the portal pages I've got thinking (I know it's a dangerous thing to do but...) and Kevin Lynch, Erin Strauss and Jordan Todd are FBI personal, even if they are recurring characters too, so wouldn't make more sense for them to be in that portal, the first two with the current team and Todd as former? Please, give me your input - Mvpl 16:54, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * They're still minor characters. Strauss may be an exception, since she is actually part of the BAU. Todd would be good as former, also. I'd leave Kevin Lynch in the minor characters portal. -

I was very serious with my congratulations, I've been evading to tackle that thing the better part of today :) - Mvpl 22:11, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reply: Unsubs
Dunno where it could go. To be honest, I just made because I was bored (and after I stumbled onto this one day). Thought it would be cool looking as a Wiki Table, instead of just a word document. -- Lord Crayak 01:20, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe under the Criminal Minds section of the Unsub page? Wherever it ends up, it will look good. I like it. Stick it somewhere. -


 * Yeah, the unsub article seems like the best place. Okay. -- Lord Crayak 01:39, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Rednecks fight back
I'm a bit at a loss here, first time I hear anything about it, so any place I can go to snoop for a good article of related information? At the very least, now I'm curious :) - Mvpl 09:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks like the hostilities have died down. Bummer :) -
 * OK, now is official, you want to drive me nuts! Would you be so kind and tell me what you are talking about? I'm serious when I tell you that curiosity it's killing me :) - Mvpl 15:12, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some people in town are a bit upset about the new taxes our president has put on hunting. There are ammo taxes, kill taxes, and recreation fees. Basically it makes hunting pointless, as you no longer save money killing your own food. The rednecks here are extremely pissed off and were gathering around city hall with their rifles. -
 * In my opinion, it depends on the amount they will have to pay. Over here there are fees to pay for hunters (I'm not one so my information is sketchy) and the money goes to pay the maintenance of the country, specially to fire prevention which is a real pain over here in summer - Mvpl 15:36, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Actors
I confess, I've been thinking again and I'm going to swamp you again with what I've thinking :) In the left hand bar you can get easy access to the characters, the real criminals, the real agents... Could it be possible to create a portal for the actors, maybe with the same structure of the characters one: regular, recurring and guests? Creating their pages, I've been having real problems to found the information for a part of them or to put order on the information of the rest; for a good number of them maybe here is the place to find the most complete bio, and by now I'm certain that CM has one of the most stellar list of guest actors, so they merit a place of honor in this encyclopedia, don't you agree? :) - Mvpl 15:32, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. Go for it. Let me know what the title will be and I'll stick it in the sidebar. Just make sure it's Portal: Actors or something like that. -
 * I'm going for simple is best, so Portal:Criminal Minds Actors. The other day I was reading that one of the most useful things to do to appear in a good position in Google is to repeat, specially in the titles of the pages, the most used words in a related search, so for starters all the portals should be Criminal Minds xxxx. There was more, but I think that should be your decision, so if you are interested and got the time they have got an useful page for that - Mvpl 20:25, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why the references to the Terminator franchise? I hate when other wikis do that, circular references that exclude everything else... At the very least, put them in the Notes section; I don't think that their involvement in that franchise played any part in his hiring for CM - Mvpl 23:33, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trading refs with a friend at the Terminator wiki. -
 * Sorry but no, it's not an enough good reason to include the refs. You have said it, we don't need a mountain of external links all over the place. And I've got a question, what it's going to happen when a die hard fan of Stargate, or Star Trek, or Law & Order, or Lost, or ER for that matter, gets here and starts to put refs for those franchise/Shows?. I put up a good amount of those filmographies, so believe me, what is important, the CM info is going to be drowned in a heap of out of place facts. Everyone of those actors has very long careers and have been in multiple films and series with big fan bases, but that doesn't meant that a single role define them. Those refs, in the Criminal Minds section, give a good impression of an attention seeking sore thumb. Please, rethink it and take that to other place, out of the actors pages. Right now I'm determinated to see them out and I'm certain that the guy that had a fit when a certain somebody put up a handful of stubs just because the actors have been in Lost is going to agree with me - Mvpl 10:01, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm a die-hard fan of One Piece but I would understand if adding mountains of external links would be a eye-sore but people would want them in order to be linked to other sites/wikipedia if they want to go there instead of copying the actor's name and go to Wikipedia to find information on them, depending if the article is detailed like Wikipedia version was.

Joekido 10:29, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * First, half of the Wikipedia articles are STUBS and labeled like that, so no, not a good reason. And don't get me started in the other wikis, or they have copy/paste the Wikipedia one or they go with what I'm trying to prevent here, fanwanking. I stood with what I've said, this is the best place to get the info for the actors, period; I've make sure of that even if I'm not finished - Mvpl 11:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Very well, we shall begin preventing the fanwanks

Joekido 11:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no reason to be hostile Mvpl. The info is important to fans, and it also did have something to do with their casting, as Jeff Davis is a giant Terminator fan. Take not of Wil Wheaton and Jonathan Frakes, who both starred in ST:TNG, another favorite of Jeff's. And Joekido, finish that Richard Chase article. -
 * Also, as you can see, they are not links, just notes. The links are to the other actors' pages here on this wiki. -


 * Sorry if you think I was being hostile, I confess I was first shocked and later I got worked up and I wanted to make a point but it's difficult to convey in writing emotions (and it's worst for me to do so in english) that are not too different. I can be very passionate when defending things I care about; I don't think it's a valid excuse but maybe you can understand where I come from, I hope.


 * One thing, I'm not going to negate the importance of the info, what went down bad for me was the placement in the page. I've been thinking about alternatives useful for all, franchises and other big series, and not getting very far, but maybe a new section specially for it after the filmography and before the notes one, just an idea...


 * On another note, I've a doubt. In the episode pages, list of guest stars, with or without the characters they play? I ask because in one hand it's useful to identify them, on the other hand they are spoilers because you can easily point who the unsub is. Please, tell me what you think


 * Again sorry if I've hurt you, that was never my intention... Friends? :) - Mvpl 14:52, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Working together on a wiki can be stressful sometimes, as everyone has different opinions. So, no biggie :) I agree with the placement, so I moved the info into the notes section. Concerning the cast lists, I agree with that. In the past, I've only included a Notable Guest Stars section. That is; only including actors who are well known--just for that reason and not because they're the unsub. It does kind of spoil things a bit. -

Top Criminal
Since you deletd some characters off the list and protected it forever, I think we should make a vote on who deserves to be on that list and who don't.

First off Adam Jackson should be in there because Raid delt with him. Battle should be in there because he appeared in 2 episodes and shot Garcia, which had her unable to help the team for 2 more episodes, Carl Bulford should be in there because Derek had faced him in the past. Unless of course if you want to explain the rules of the Top Criminal link

Joekido 13:30, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not a metter of who belongs on it. The box has to be reformatted to accept more names on each list and still look symmetrical. Figure out someone on the current list to replace with Adam Jackson. I think he should go on the list, too. The whole thing will have to be reorganized once the new show comes out anyway. If you want, come up with a way to arrange the different lists to keep it all symmetrical. Practice in your sandbox, then we'll paste it in once it's done. You can create a sandbox here. -


 * On a side note, major changes to templates--especially those appearing on the front page--should be discussed first. -


 * Check it out now. I rearranged the columns a bit to include your criminal votes (there should be ten anyway), while keeping a little symmetry to it. Once the spinoff starts, we'll all work together to create a new template. I was thinking each section would have tiny thumbnail photos instead of just text. It should include the original cast, the cast of the new show, ten top criminals for CM, something regarding criminals on the new show, and episode/season lists for each show. It will look funny at first (until the new show's lists are filled out). If you can find out what the new show will Officially be called, we can get started. The working title is Minds 2.0 but that doesn't really sound like an official title. It may turn out to be the title, but until it's verified, making anything regarding the new show would potentially be wasted. PS. Don't be discouraged when your edits are changed. You didn't do anything wrong, just remember to discuss any changes to templates, and let the admin take care of it once an agreement is made. Mvpl is pretty good with tweaking code, too, so I'll occasionally ask for her input as far as coding goes. -

Ok but can you unprotect the tamplete so I can copy the data and paste in on my sandbox so I can work on it?

Joekido 14:30, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

You can still click the edit button and copy the code. -

Bar colors
I can see them in a color similar to THIS, the wording should be white as is a too dark shade to make a good enogh contrast with black letters, but it wouldn't clash with the wiki overall color theme.

And if you are going to make modifications, could you put in the box Actor/Actress, instead of just Actor?

On another note, I'm wading through Whitaker Bio and there is so much it's nearly sure I'm got to get lost in the process, at the very least my english is going to... After I've made the update, could you do a throughful proofreading? Thanks! :) - Mvpl 14:27, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actor a neutered term and is typically used in America for men and women. It's the whole equality thing. You don't call a female police officer and copette. Waiter/waitress aren't used anymore either. They're all called servers. Maybe an alternate term could be used? Thespian seems too archaic, but there are plenty of synonyms out there :) Artist, performer, talent, player, etc. -